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	<title>Comments on: Web 2.0 and Open Source</title>
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		<title>By: Max Smolev</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Smolev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Open Software and Buzz-thing called &quot;Web 2.0&quot; (I sent line-by-line reply to Joe&#039;s list of 1.0 vs 2.0) have one main thing in common. Willingness to donate one&#039;s time and effort to anybody who wants it. And, in the process, trying to merge professional side with a hobby and earn a bit of money.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Open Software and Buzz-thing called &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; (I sent line-by-line reply to Joe&#8217;s list of 1.0 vs 2.0) have one main thing in common. Willingness to donate one&#8217;s time and effort to anybody who wants it. And, in the process, trying to merge professional side with a hobby and earn a bit of money.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: nishad</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>nishad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;JM, as a person with a hazy skepticism towards the benefits of OSS, I have to say that the bit beginning with &quot;As the developer of SpamAssassin, open source made sense for me because ...&quot; is the most sensible explanation I&#039;ve ever seen of &quot;Why choose OSS as a developer&quot;.  I could feel the idea finally penetrating my thick skull :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you really should write this up more elaborately.  There are lots of people like me who write software for a living and are, shall we say, &lt;em&gt;unconvinced&lt;/em&gt; by the writings of Eric S. Raymond and the type.  We need to read more, shall we say, &lt;em&gt;considered&lt;/em&gt; viewpoints, that are not as simplistic as the evangelical style tends to be.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM, as a person with a hazy skepticism towards the benefits of OSS, I have to say that the bit beginning with &#8220;As the developer of SpamAssassin, open source made sense for me because &#8230;&#8221; is the most sensible explanation I&#8217;ve ever seen of &#8220;Why choose OSS as a developer&#8221;.  I could feel the idea finally penetrating my thick skull :-)</p>

<p>I think you really should write this up more elaborately.  There are lots of people like me who write software for a living and are, shall we say, <em>unconvinced</em> by the writings of Eric S. Raymond and the type.  We need to read more, shall we say, <em>considered</em> viewpoints, that are not as simplistic as the evangelical style tends to be.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 16:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ben -- as I said, no, it&#039;s code is not.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#8212; as I said, no, it&#8217;s code is not.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, in passing -- is Flikr&#039;s code actually open-source? I doubt it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in passing &#8212; is Flikr&#8217;s code actually open-source? I doubt it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 13:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Paul: I&#039;ve met &quot;our fellow man&quot;, and he&#039;s a cunt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pardon the expletive but it&#039;s accurate, and even though this is the carpet bagging money grabbing swashbuckling pirate robber baron suit in me talking, we&#039;ve all been around long enough to know that some members of this generation are more trustworthy (if not just downright better human beings) than others.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: I&#8217;ve met &#8220;our fellow man&#8221;, and he&#8217;s a cunt.</p>

<p>Pardon the expletive but it&#8217;s accurate, and even though this is the carpet bagging money grabbing swashbuckling pirate robber baron suit in me talking, we&#8217;ve all been around long enough to know that some members of this generation are more trustworthy (if not just downright better human beings) than others.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 12:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey Chekov --&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actually I agree with you 100% on that!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The AJAX-style technology is irrelevant to the &quot;web 2.0&quot; idea/business model, in my opinion -- it&#039;s just been lumped in by many people because a few of the more recent &quot;web 2.0&quot; companies use it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Chekov &#8211;</p>

<p>Actually I agree with you 100% on that!</p>

<p>The AJAX-style technology is irrelevant to the &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; idea/business model, in my opinion &#8212; it&#8217;s just been lumped in by many people because a few of the more recent &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; companies use it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chekov</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>Chekov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 12:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Justin,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have to disagree with you about the usefulness of &quot;Web 2.0&quot; as a concept.  Essentially it is really nothing more than a marketing &quot;hold-all&quot; for whatever is considered fresh and new in web-technology / web-business models.  While many of the technologies and trends that have been more-or-less arbitrarily assigned to the web 2.0 box are themselves interesting, grouping them altogether under a common rubrik doesn&#039;t make a whole lot of sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, the Ajax stuff and the user-contributed-content stuff has pretty much no relationship (wikipedia, indymedia, blogs etc rarely use rich client technologies).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,</p>

<p>I have to disagree with you about the usefulness of &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; as a concept.  Essentially it is really nothing more than a marketing &#8220;hold-all&#8221; for whatever is considered fresh and new in web-technology / web-business models.  While many of the technologies and trends that have been more-or-less arbitrarily assigned to the web 2.0 box are themselves interesting, grouping them altogether under a common rubrik doesn&#8217;t make a whole lot of sense.</p>

<p>For example, the Ajax stuff and the user-contributed-content stuff has pretty much no relationship (wikipedia, indymedia, blogs etc rarely use rich client technologies).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul Watson</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 10:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it really wasnâ€™t much fun being so bloody paranoid all the time&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Amen. Probably in the top three reasons I&#039;m loving this generation. Scares the hell out of business types though, they fear trust and &quot;our fellow man.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>it really wasnâ€™t much fun being so bloody paranoid all the time</blockquote>

<p>Amen. Probably in the top three reasons I&#8217;m loving this generation. Scares the hell out of business types though, they fear trust and &#8220;our fellow man.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 10:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey thanks Leo!  I&#039;m very happy to hear that ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey thanks Leo!  I&#8217;m very happy to hear that ;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://taint.org/2006/05/29/194404a.html/comment-page-1#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 09:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Justin, just wanted to mention your post makes great sense (here&#039;s too an &quot;open source developer&quot; struggling a whole lot with the &quot;open source company&quot; dillemma), and in general that lately I&#039;ve really enjoyed the stuff you&#039;ve been writing -- oftentimes quality stuff, very clearly written. Keep it up!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Justin, just wanted to mention your post makes great sense (here&#8217;s too an &#8220;open source developer&#8221; struggling a whole lot with the &#8220;open source company&#8221; dillemma), and in general that lately I&#8217;ve really enjoyed the stuff you&#8217;ve been writing &#8212; oftentimes quality stuff, very clearly written. Keep it up!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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